IMPACT! MINIATURES

Tarota · Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 100 Location: Colorado

So, this came up in a demo game, and I'm not sure I handled it correctly:

I did a short pass, and (of course) Flopped on the catch. However, it then bounced into the hex of a player on the opposite team, who also Flopped the Pick-Up. I had 2 momentum going into this debacle. I said it was my opponent's turn, with 2 momentum still on the board. But I mostly did that because it was a demo game, and I didn't want to try to parse the rules. Did I do it right? I'm not seeing another way to interpret, but it still seems odd that you can Flop and come out ahead (as my opponent did in this case).

What if he had merely failed, which is still a shift in momentum? I'm guessing it doesn't make any difference, and that I could in fact use the 2 momentum to foil his pick-up attempt, since my turn isn't over until the ball finally stops. (Now that I think about it, I could have done that anyway, although I would have risked "fixing" his Flop!) In this case it seems likely that he should take the intentional fail choice, and not give me the opportunity to dump the momentum.

(And I just noticed while writing this up that he should have been making a Catch challenge, not a Pick-Up challenge. Live and learn, I guess...

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Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2206

It is not a shift in momentum for your opponent because it was not his turn yet. Your turn doesn't start until you activate a player. He had no player activated, therefore he could not use the SiM Momentum yet, and could not suffer a SiM himself.

Now as for using the Momentum to affect his dice rolls on the catch, I think you can but I hate that rule so we don't use it.
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I lurk in the shadows, eying your games.
Nothing can slake me, except for your pain.
"Flop," I say gently; whispering my curse,
your bad situation just became worse.

bouncergriim · Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 208 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS

It would make sense to me that the ShiM has happened and you no longer have momentum to use. His turn hasn't started yet though, so he can't use the momentum yet either.

Here is how I would see it (more thinking about it than looking up the exact rules here).

1. You throw and get 2 momentum
2. You Flop the catch (ShiM)
3. Opponent gets the momentum for his next turn.
4. Ball bounces to Opponent (opponent may not use momentum yet)
5. Opponent fails the catch (flop), Not his action yet no ShiM ( had he not flopped you still couldn't use momentum to make him reroll, because you no longer have any because of the ShiM)
6. Face your thrower how you want, then your turn is over (I mention this because facing rules still confuse me at times)
7. Opponents turn starts, and he now can use the two momentum he has.

Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2206

bouncergriim · Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 208 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS

offically I think your turn has ended when you shim or fail something and cannot use momentum or skill to reroll it. So, even though your opponent is doing something you cannot use momentum because you action has ended. (pg 5 in the rule book under Shift in momentum). So really the catch attempt by your opponent is between actions.

Edit:

In the rulebook on page 3 it specifically states your action (turn) ends when you have a ShiM, so that would mean you cannot use momentum, because that is only allowed during an action.

Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2206

I may be remembering in the wrong context but I do recall discussion of a situation where you could use momentum after a ShiM...but I'm too lazy to look for it so I'll just accept that my Swiss Cheese brain is malfunctioning again.

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I lurk in the shadows, eying your games.
Nothing can slake me, except for your pain.
"Flop," I say gently; whispering my curse,
your bad situation just became worse.

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bouncergriim · Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 208 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS

DL,

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Tarota · Joined: 19 Sep 2007 Posts: 100 Location: Colorado

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