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Dark Lord

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Posted: Fri May 08, 2009 6:35 pm Post subject: Star Trek? |
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I saw it. It was pretty good. Then again, I'm not a Trekkie, but it was a damn fine Star Wars film. It had a Death Star and everything!
http://www.theonion.com/content/video/trekkies_bash_new_star_trek_film
SPOILERS MAYBE:
The Good IMO:
Spock, Scotty, & McCoy were all cast very well and the actors did a great job in bringing out what the original actors did as well as bringing their own thing into it.
The Enterprise has a realistic feel to its areas. The engine room looks like an engine room instead of laboratory for instance.
The Romulans...finally Romulans are cool. No more dorky haircuts, no more weirdo clothes and no more copied Klingon ships.
The story moved along quickly and was interesting. There's a negative to it if you like techno-babble and long expositions about how Trek Tech works, and why reversing the polarities is the solution they need...but I don't, so I was glad to see Trek meet Star Wars in that respect.
The Bad IMO:
Spock & Uhura in love? WTF? Barf...doesn't work for me.
Uhura was disgustingly skinny and anorexic.
Chekov was there to see how many times they could make the actor say a "V" word. "Their wessel is inwincible, Captain! It's wery scary and I wery much want a wegetarian meal tonight!"
Sulu was not used much at all except to have him fight with a stupid katana. I was very disappointed to see him use a katana rather than a rapier. I know he's Japanese...but that was why it was cool to see him use a western weapon.
Kirk was done so-so. His womanizing and stuff seemed to get blown up to caricature sized proportions. Also the fact that he went from cadet to first officer in a matter of minutes was lame. Not only that but the fact that after he relieved Spock and became captain he was allowed to be remain captain of the Enterprise?! WTF? Seriously? A cadet, who hasn't even graduated from the academy is gonna command the flagship of the fleet? Nobody has a problem with that? And NOBODY was on the Enterprise that was high enough rank to be first officer? Seriously? Really?
IMO it diminished Kirk. He didn't earn what he got, it was simply handed to him...and he was a punk and screw up before that. So all the people who worked for years and kissed ass in Star Fleet were totally okay with a 17 year old cadet being the captain of the Enterprise. Nonsense.
However if they make a second one we won't have to think about the lame way he got the command, so I'll get over it.
The phasers were blasters. It annoyed me. I really liked Star Trek's use of beam weapons. It had a cool look to it, and it gave it a sense of realism...if that makes sense. Have the guns be blasters...with a weird stun/kill flip barrel was kinda...meh IMO.
Lastly, I do like my Star Trek to be a bit more cerebral than this was. And in the end...it was not only dumbed down, but it had a TIME TRAVEL storyline...GAH! Really? Whatever.
All in all, it was good movie and I really enjoyed it. Like I said, it was a really great Star Wars film.
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Torg
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 7:21 pm Post subject: |
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I have to agree with most of what you've said as I pretty much was thinking the same thing when I saw the film.
Don't really agree about the Romulans, though. Romulans are supposed to be genetically identical to Vulcans (so should look the same) but just a different culture. These guys looked like the death metal version of Romulans. What was with all the spikes? The ship was one big mass of spikes and even the torpedoes had spikes. And why would anyone build a ship with a bunch of raised platforms with no railings so that people can fall to their death? Not disagreeing with you that it looked cool, but functionally didn't make sense. Wished they'd called these guys something else other that Romulans, but doesn't really matter.
Anyway, agree with pretty much everything else you said about everything else (Uhura is supposed to be a vouptuous black womon, not just a black woman, and definately not a skinny black woman. The love affair with Spock made me think WTF?? too)
Because of the time travel poo, which is lame in general, they basically created an alternate timeline, so they don't have to fallow any of the established Trek history, they can do whanever they like.
In the end I still agree it was a good, fun movie, worth seeing. _________________ Torg |
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skatingtortoise
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Posted: Sun May 10, 2009 8:52 pm Post subject: |
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| +1 here. enjoyed it and was shedding a single manly tear within the first 5 minutes. |
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Darkson On his best behaviour

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:21 pm Post subject: |
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Enjoyed it, though the Romulans had me going "WFT" - but we'll let them off that because they're from the future (is Spock still alive in the ST:TNG era?).
Alternate timeline is good imo though, because if they're going to make a new series of films, there was only so much room they had before they butted up against the existing stuff. _________________ What the hell am I doing on a mini's forum? I DON'T PAINT!!!
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Norse The One, the Only

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 6:25 pm Post subject: |
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the only alternate time-line I truly enjoyed was in Red Dwarf, when JFK goes back in time and shoots himself from the grassy knoll to preserve his reputation as a martyr after the RD crew had gone back in time and accidentally killed Lee Harvey Oswald.. ..  _________________ in this company my painting skills are limited at best.. |
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MidniteXpress

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:47 pm Post subject: |
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| Norse wrote: | the only alternate time-line I truly enjoyed was in Red Dwarf, when JFK goes back in time and shoots himself from the grassy knoll to preserve his reputation as a martyr after the RD crew had gone back in time and accidentally killed Lee Harvey Oswald.. ..  |
have you seen the new dwarf episodes? perhaps a thread of it's own, but since you mentioned it _________________ MidniteXpress
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Norse The One, the Only

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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 8:58 pm Post subject: |
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not sure if they are aired in the US of A  _________________ in this company my painting skills are limited at best.. |
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Purdindas
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Posted: Thu May 21, 2009 10:19 pm Post subject: |
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I wasn't able to watch the newest ones. I've heard mixed reviews. Would like to see it for myself. _________________ Purdindas |
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Mad Jackal
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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:48 am Post subject: |
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| Norse wrote: | not sure if they are aired in the US of A  |
If they are they would be on public access channel in Iowa. No idea how that translates to the Northest where you would prefer to view it.
I know there was Red Dwarf on last year, but no idea if it was current or old. And since I do not have television any longer, I have no idea if it is on at all now.
I'm sure they make tv listings some-where. and they might even post them online in those sophisticated states... _________________ A wise man once said.
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SillySod

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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 1:52 pm Post subject: |
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| Darkson wrote: | | (is Spock still alive in the ST:TNG era?) |
Yes, he has the title of Ambassador Spock and is secretly on Romulus teaching Vulcan ideology. I'm not a trekkie, just happened to see this episode recently
Likewise its kind of hard to criticise the change in Romulan appearence... there are such massive inconsistencies rooted throughout the Star Trek franchise that this looks pretty minor. Think of it as a re-envisioning. At least they didnt try to explain it away The difference in Klingon appearence over the different series is much more dramatic and carefully explained away by Worf as "we dont like to talk about it" which is great reasoning for why no one ever noticed the total change in appearence of a whole race  _________________ Elfball is for girls...... and pigs apparently, I know which one I am :D |
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Thom

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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 6:50 pm Post subject: |
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While I am not a full blown Trekkie I do border on Trek Geekdom. I plan to watch the movie when I get the chance.
Now my cousin on the other hand. . . Well he has a Captains uniform, every single Trek episode on VHS. every book, every magazine. . . All of it. He is even mentioned by name in some of the fanzines and fact books for identifying errors in shows and story continuity.
Come to think of it he lives pretty close to Eric. . . _________________ Thom. . .
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Dark Lord

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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 6:58 pm Post subject: |
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| Thom wrote: | | While I am not a full blown Trekkie I do border on Trek Geekdom. I plan to watch the movie when I get the chance. |
This is me, as well. Steph is a big old Trekkie, one that couldn't stand Enterprise because of the continuity problems, so I was thinking she wouldn't like it.
Turns out, she's not a stickler for continuity as long as it isn't ignored. She doesn't care what sort of changes are made as long as they at least make an attempt to explain it away.
Me, I just like science fiction...not big on the techno babble stuff, which is why Voyager turned me off. I like 3D characters and stories that at least appear to be original on the surface (because no story is original.)
So I really liked it. The characters were good for the most part. They didn't have time to develop all of the bridge crew and the villain, but Kirk, Spock, & McCoy were fleshed out pretty well. Uhura and the badguy to a lesser extent but...give it time.
The story was a bit easy but when you imaging the upcoming sequels it gets a bit more exciting. I'm thinking the next one will throw the slightly more hardcore Trekkers a bone...maybe not so much in the techno-babble kind of way, but in the "far out" kind of way, which is the aspect I liked best about ST:TOS. _________________ "I don't know the key to success, but the key to failure is trying to please everybody."
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Darkson On his best behaviour

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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 8:38 pm Post subject: |
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| Norse wrote: | not sure if they are aired in the US of A  |
Probably not yet - it only aired Easter here, and then it was on Dave ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dave_(TV_channel) ), not on a mainstream channel.
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MidniteXpress

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Posted: Fri May 22, 2009 10:11 pm Post subject: |
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the channel even changed it's name to dave lister for the whole easter weekend lol
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