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GalakStarscraper

Doctor Who - Question? - Doctor's Daughter

Okay in the States we get it a year later ... so I just watched Doctor's Daughter on Tivo when coming back from holiday.

My wife and I are having a debate on the ending ... wanted your opinions.

At the end did Jenny Regenerate or did the Terraform Mist bring her back.

My wife believes looking at the breath that it looks like the Terraforming mist that the Doctor set free and Jenny was at Ground Zero of and that is what healed her.

I believe that her breath looked just like the effect they used when the current Doctor replaced the one from Season One that was a side effect of the regeneration energy.

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Problem is I think we both have good arguments as to why the other is wrong:

1) I suggest that the Terraform mist is simply returning the needed elements to the world to substain life and that the mist was not a cure-all even if you are at Ground Zero when released.

2) My wife counters that if Jenny did regenerate from life ending injury like a Time Lady ... she should have a new body and she does not.

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So anyone want to give me their thoughts that saw the episode?   I won't be upset if you agree with my wife on this one ...  

Galak
Dark Lord

We don't get it a year late over here anymore. We're actually only about 2 episodes behind them now.

As far as your question on the Doc's daughter. We are undecided too.

But I do have counters to your counters.
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1) I suggest that the Terraform mist is simply returning the needed elements to the world to substain life and that the mist was not a cure-all even if you are at Ground Zero when released.


They never explicitly say this. The rules of the mist are vague and it really says that it brings life. So it could be the reason.

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2) My wife counters that if Jenny did regenerate from life ending injury like a Time Lady ... she should have a new body and she does not.


She's not a bona fide Time Lady. She's a clone and could have all new rules.  There's also no rule that says a Time Lord's first regeration is into a new form. It could be that their first death is what gives them their great understanding. It could be that this is what separates a Gallifreyan from a Chronarch. :shrug:
fen

The answer is - she was originally planned to die but Steven Moffatt suggested that she should be revived because Georgina turned out to be quite brilliant in the role.  So they wrote in a scene that brought her back and kept the same actress.

It's almost certainly not a true regeneration, but you'll need to leave the explaination for the inevitable return/spin-off that she generates.

Dark Lord wrote:
There's also no rule that says a Time Lord's first regeration is into a new form. It could be that their first death is what gives them their great understanding.

You'll want to read through this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeneration_%28Doctor_Who%29
Dark Lord

Read it and didn't find one thing that says a Time Lord's first death can't be the event that alters their brains into what we know as the Time Lord's brain. There has yet been no explanation as to what separates (if anything) a Gallifreyan from a Time Lord or Chronarch. Several times there seems to have been a difference noted but it's not consistent.
Heck it's even been hinted that humans are a seeded race from either Gallifreyans, Thals or even the Kaleds.

Call it a proto-regeneration, call it whatever you want. This is serial television we're talking about. Saying that they haven't done it that way before, or stating that the "writers said so" as evidence of anything is like saying the mystery villain in a comic book series can't be so-and-so because he's dead. Hell, it's possible that she is River Song we just don't know.
GalakStarscraper

fen wrote:
You'll want to read through this.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Regeneration_%28Doctor_Who%29


"Possibly going into a Botched Regeneration which is when a Time lord regenerates but the appearence doesn't change"

Hmmmm ... never heard of this ... but it would explain the episode.

Galak
Dark Lord

Ooooooh!

See my a-hole side immediately thought fen was disagreeing with me.    

Well, he does disagree with me alot, but oh well. Never mind.    
GalakStarscraper

Looked at the Wikipedia entry for the episode ... and got a laugh:

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Just prior to Jenny's reanimation she exhales a golden-green mist reminiscent of similar expirations the Doctor displayed shortly after his regeneration in the 2005 Children in Need scene and "The Christmas Invasion"; this mist also resembles the terraforming gas seen earlier in the episode.
fen

Look before you leap aye?

Dark Lord wrote:
Hell, it's possible that she is River Song we just don't know.

That's a definate no-no.  River Song has been signaled as a future love interest for the Doctor, can you imagine the public outcry if Jenny then turned out to be River and that happened?  Dating your clone daughter?  That's beyond taboo.  Certainly not material for a pre-watershed family show.
Dark Lord

So River Song is not someone we have already met reincarnated into a new form?

I guess that's good but it also takes some of the fun out of it.

I'm one that has really enjoyed the darker lamenting lonely Doctor but I am equally ready to have the Last Great Time War undone and see the return of some friendly Time Lords, or at least a trip to Gallifrey.
fen

Dark Lord wrote:
So River Song is not someone we have already met reincarnated into a new form?

I guess that's good but it also takes some of the fun out of it.

I'm one that has really enjoyed the darker lamenting lonely Doctor but I am equally ready to have the Last Great Time War undone and see the return of some friendly Time Lords, or at least a trip to Gallifrey.

I didn't say she's not a regenerated version of someone we've met before.  But she's certainly not going to be a regenerated Jenny.
Dark Lord

My guess is Romana. I thought it interesting that the way they killed her was lethal to Time Lords as well.  

This leaves the door open for the Doctor to meet her without us knowing it...as well as having another actress play her in case miss ER hottie isn't available.
SillySod

I think its possible that River Song is the docters daughter, all that was indicated was that he clearly cared for her. That dosent necessarily mean romance.. you'd have thought that he cared about his daughter too, at least a bit.
fen

That's highly unlikey, because if you remember.  The Doctor thinks that Jenny is dead and did not believe she would regenerate so he didn't see her revive.  His reaction would have been very different from the one we got if River was Jenny.

Plus there's the name thing.  I'd need to reference to confirm this, but I believe Time Lords only reveal their true name to their wife.

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