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| Mephisto |
Fanatic Army Painter for StoreHi!What about having this dipping product in the store? Wouldn't it be interesting? http://armypainter.fanatic.dk/ |
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| GalakStarscraper |
Re: Fanatic Army Painter for Store
Ow ... $55 per a can. My experience is that most gamers have very little cash. I'd be very concerned with getting stuck with this stuff (even though it looks cool). Galak |
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| Mephisto |
Re: Fanatic Army Painter for Store
OK, I can understand it... I'm only making suggestion of products that can be very interesting for gamer's like me or you. Most of them came from discussion in spanish FF forums. 
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| Dark Lord |
Honestly, I think those look like crap.
That may be fine for rank and file on a huge army but for a team of 5-10 minis I would want a much better result. And for $55? Uh no thanks. When the photos for the add can't even make it look good then you know it's crap. Those models are gonna come out looking shiny and dirty. Blech. |
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| Mephisto |
These elves have been dipped with this product:
http://www.talkbloodbowl.com/phpB...php?t=21988&highlight=dipping |
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| fen |
Truth, I can understand people dipping for armies, but I think it's a real crutch when you're painting about 14-16 minis. And at that price, eesh... That's about a 1/4 of the way towards getting a decent painter to do the team for you... Which if you're going to dip, you might as well do. I tore a few strips out of a guy over on the SG site for suggesting I'd dipped my Goliaths.  I don't think I've been so offended over comments on my painting (or lack there of) ever.
I would be greatly disappointed in Impact! if they supported such lazy painting ethics. |
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| Dark Lord |
And honestly they look like rank and file. Sorry if they're yours but the painting looks really neat clean. The things that make them look less than awesome are all related to the dipping. 1. The loin cloth areas just look like dirty marble or stone rather than a loin cloth. Especially on the two on the left in the first picture. 2. The skin tones are inconsistent (Sidewinder's thighs verses his biceps) due to smooth textures vs ripped ones. In the top picture it looks like you redid the two middle elves' faces but not the one on the right end...or you got inconsistent results because the right-side guy has a more ripply face. It also looks like you went back over a lot of areas. If you have to go back over it, then how does it save time over just painting the details in? 3. The yellow hair looks great...the rest-not so much. You can't see any details in the red and orange hair. Likewise the green pants look less detailed than the rest because the smoothness didn't catch any ink. I'm guessing this is just a big pot of Citadel's flesh wash. If that's so, then why not just use colored inks? You'll get better results in the same amount of time. The paint jobs are good, really good even. Nice and neat with some good detail...it's the dip that brings it down. If these are yours then quit giving Grandma Wendy your money for gadgets you don't need. You're talented enough that this is only holding you back. Also, I only see this used on gold metal...is that because on silver it makes it look rusty? Edit: I just looked through all the PDFs and sure enough they always use it with skin tones, yellow or metal that needs to be rusty or gold. And when they do for the LOTR orc its to make it look like the dark metal in the movies...but I don't see how painting it black, then drybrushing silver over that, dipping and then touching up is easier than painting it black and drybrushing thinned silver. |
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| Mephisto |
Sorry Fen, but I don't agree with you. Your paintings are great, but there are a lot of people who don't have the skills neither the time to paint as you do. For people like me dipping is a great solution for having our teams painted and not having to invest so much money in it. Even if I have proposed to take FAP I have dipped other minis with cheaper products and the results are still great. And I don't understand why Impact! should support a determinated painting ethic (as you call it)... In my opinion you are being to drastical and you don't try to understand why some people support dipping. But well, if you are against dipping and you want to fight against it, I'll be very glad and happy to send you my miniatures, so that you can paint them as well as you normal do  (I can imagine the answer, but if it is a yes, then please pm me  )
And towards dipping being lazy... I'm studying my pdh in politics, and I have a lot of miniatures to paint. I like collecting figures and even if I don't have the time to paint them well, I think I shouldn't let buying them. And dipping is a great solution for me, because so I can have my teams painted and they look very good (better if I would paint them without dipping).
Edit: Those elves aren't mine |
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| Dark Lord |
It doesn't seem like it's saving you any time over just using inks.
Using an ink wasing doesn't take any skill. |
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| fen |
Exactly (unless you count painting within the lines as a skill )
My problem with dipping is specifically in the area of small scale 'jobs' - as I said I have no issue with people dipping large amounts of minis for armies. It's faster than inking then. I don't even ink when I paint, I dislike inks - this comes from a lack of creative control. I'll try and explain - You've got several ways you can paint a mini and each "step up" gives you a greater level of control over where the paint goes and what the final look is. Now I'm sorry to say dipping is the 'lowest' level in this. You have almost no control over where the dip is going to set, and essentially you shade every recessed area on the mini with the same shade. That's low control over the look. You sacrifice a lot for speed. Next comes inks, I put inks here because you get some control over the shading colour choice - but it's a very broad colour, Inks tend to come in a limited range of shades. Additionally it's difficult to control where the ink is going. Next is acrylic washes, this is where you make pseudo-inks from your acrylic paints and apply them. You get greater control of consitency and shade over inks. This is what I think most people should do as it's fast and very similar to inking. Top is fully painted in acrylic with no washes at all, this involves blending/shading and can take a fair length of time. It's very much like painting on a canvas and as I'm a landscape painter, this is how I tend to paint. But I also use small amounts of acrylic washes for certain situations and looks. (These are of course very broad categories, and don't take into account the huge range of techniques that are possible.) The Delaque I'm painting right now are almost entirely done with levels of acrylic painting, the only washes occur on the metal, and they are done with a very thick wash that I still have a lot of brush control over. So I'll admit I was rather harsh at dipping, it's great in some situations. It's also a fantastic solution for the painter who's in a major rush, or struggles to paint well. But the average painter should be able to use inks or washes instead just fine, and I think that these techinques should be encouraged as much as possible. They're still very fast and they give the painter that all important thing - control. |
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| Stout Youngblood |
I don't like dipping personally, but I understand why others do. Instead of buying these cans at $55 why not just get some stain from Home Depot or local hardware store for $10 for a quart/liter? | ||||
| Mephisto |
That's what my friends do normally. Personally I don't make the dipping. A friend of mine does. I paint a large amount of miniatures and then give them to my friend. I use dipping not for a team only, but for more teams... about 3 or 4 to have dipped in one time. |
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