Frog FF minis

darthnoir · Frog FF minis

Greetings All,

Being careful to avoid any IP issues here...

I would be very eager to get a hold of a team of upright walking, human sized, fantasy football frogs.

3 positions would be the minimum (4 if anyone else like my wacky idea):

Receivers
Attackers
Defenders

And, for added flavor, a large sized Bull Frog "big guy" (am I violating IP there?)

To be honest, I could go for either the comical Wind in the Willows looking frogs or the more serious brutal looking frogs. I suspect most people would prefer a serious look (but I'd be happy to be proven wrong).

Anyone else interested?

fatgoblin

That would be great I think! Here is a definite vote for cute.

I thought the same thinga few weeks ago, wanting a frog team, and was looking at conversion possibilities of the eureka frogs that I have. After looking at them carefully, it seems like a hard thing to do...

Anyway, here they are if you want a look
http://eurekamin.com.au/index.php?cPath=87_126_191&sort=3a

also chronofus has got pics of a few as yet unreleased figures here, frogs and turtles
http://www.chronofus.net/php/viewtopic.php?t=197
http://www.chronofus.net/php/viewtopic.php?t=196

Another source of frog people is the sci fi ones from team frog
http://www.teamfrog.com/fig-cc.htm

Chairface

Sweet! I love the king frog:

Frogs would make an excellent team in my opinion. Either style.

Xtreme

I thought Tom had mentioned somewhere that they were having some Frog men produced.

Chairface

Theres a pretty long list of stuff!

Ewan

Tell me about it...

Getting through it though (slowly but surely)

Chairface

Slow and steady wins the race.

fen

Norse

Tom will personally oversee the Frogman project I think, so I am sure the end result will be pleasing to all..

brownrob

yes, tom has always wanted to see minis for a frog team, and probably has good ideas and visions for it, so I have confidence in him ;)

brownrob

GalakStarscraper

I need to build up some capital but it is on my list.

Ith and I wrote frogs into a popular FF's game background because so many folks have said the team is a lot of fun and balanced to play (and play against).

Ideally I'd like to have 7 figures (3 Midfielders, 2 Strikers, and 2 Safeties). I currently had not planned a large Bullfrog player.

Need about $2,200 to commish those 7 figures. This will be a project I do on my own time/money and then give over to Impact!

So I need to sell some stuff on Ebay ... but it is on my list.

Galak

fen

Good good, if they match that wonderful picture in style/anatomy then they'd certainly get my money.

So maybe they shouldn't look like that! :P

Darkson

HAve to agree. Something looking similar (as close as legally possible in fact) to the classic 2nd ed Slann would interest me Ones in the same style as the ones fatgoblin posted would definetly NOT get my money. Nothing wrong with them as models, just not a style I'd want to buy.

Xtreme

I would want very slim frogs, with only a few pads on. So many dynamic poses that can be made with a frog team, i'd rather not see any just standing around.

Thadrin

If a frogman team becomes available I'll actually divert some of my money to fantasy football again...despite the huge pile of teams I still have to paint.

rob_alderman

I would like to see frog-men. More like Grandma Wendy's Slann (delete if necessary because of (c) )
If you have seen flintloque Todoroni, I would like to see simalar (to the old original ones, not the awful new ones).

brownrob

Just been painting up the mini for Snake Sanders, and instead of a Snake head he had a frog head, that would do very nicely, although snake doesnt look too agile you see what I mean!

GalakStarscraper · The Calasain

Impact! commissioned a frog based team at the end of last week.

Patrick Keith who did the Beer Garden Beauty for us will be working on the figures.

This team will be added to the Elfball rules as the Calasain team.
Which will have 0-4 Hunters, 0-4 Strikers, and 0-4 Midfielders

We've commissioned the following figures for this team:

2 Hunters
1 Hunter Legend
2 Strikers
1 Striker Legend
4 Midfielders
1 Cheerleader

Elfball will not add rules for Legends ... but it will give you a distinctive figure to use to show off a player on your team that has built up some skills over time.

The Reptiliad team will also be added to the Elfball rules with the same roster and composition as the Calasain team (so the figures will share a roster).

For all of those of you who have been hoping to see these ... you'll need a heavy dose of patience. The current estimate is that we will not be able to add this team to the store until the beginning of August of next year. Our current plan is not to release the team until the entire range is done rather than to trickle them out. We have several other figures we'd like to get into the store ... so the plan is that all 11 figures will go live in August of next year.

Just wanted to give an update on this as I know some folks have been interested.

Galak

Chairface

Excellent news! I was actually thinking about doing a team out of conversions from the new Horror Clix figs, but I'll wait patiently.

Darkson

I might be interested. I'm not that keen on the Slann roster (why I can't put my finger on), but if the figs look good, I'm sure I can find a use for them.

Norse

with Patrick sculpting and Tom directing, I don't doubt the Calasain will be incredible...

I wonder if we can get the Cheerleader to have large breasts though..

brownrob

wow! i had a pretty depressing day at work! but this news lifted me a bit! :D

crack the whip tom! :D

Bodhi

aerofool

I'm actually working on a frog team myself.. my first sculpted minis! I've done some conversion work before but nothing on this scale. Here is a sketch of what I have in mind for one of the catchers. If it turns out well, I'll be posting pics of the work in progress.

Chairface

aerofool

Thanks! I'm kinda concearned how the ball-tongue is going to work out. I may be making it a separate bit for the tongue/lower jaw for possibly getting it casted. But that won't be considered until I see the final product.

Joemanji

GalakStarscraper

GalakStarscraper

JJ has said there might be a real chance at bringing the Slann back in 2008 or 2009.

After talking to some of my FF friends I have decided to put the frogman project on hold until we see if Grandma Wendy is serious.

There is a very real chance if we do the figs that Grandma Wendy would nix the project due to the appearance that I pushed the team to just make money. That would be a disservice to the FF community which is not what Impact! is about.

So I'll wait. If it becomes clear that it is not going to happen ... we'll bring this project back to life.

Galak

Babs · Eureka Frogs

I can speak personally that the Eureka frogs are about the right scale - and with some minor sculpting would easily make great FF players.

I have several myself. Eureka are also a really reliable company to deal with.

Illustranger

Id seen greens of a group of frog spearmen wich were imho the best Id seen for converting to a sports team (FF or my own game.) but I dont think they're for sale.

also msb toys has I believe 3 or 4 oriental frog demons wich would be nice FF miniatures when converted, probably champions tough.

Chairface · Re: Eureka Frogs

brownrob

GalakStarscraper

brownrob

Dice?

Chairface

Darkson

For those that like the real frog looking range (yuck!), couple of potential off-field models:

axiom

Hi Galak - any news on the frogmen team? I've actually come to this forum simply by doing a google search as I was looking for a slann-style FF team. I'd definitely be keen if the project gets revitalised!

GalakStarscraper

GalakStarscraper

I'll be honest .... I built a team using either of these formulas and thought it looked pretty good:

new Kroot, Skink Champions, Chameleon Blowgun, and Kroxigor
or
Reptiliad Hunter, Striker, and Midfielder with Terrorpin

Galak

axiom

DG_Slider

Boromir_and_kermit

I'm probably just being too curious for my own good, but with the transferrance of the Specialist Games Forum and mention of a decision on a rules meet next month, has the concept of a Frog team 'caught any more flies' so to say???

What I'm asking is... is this still a possibility/something you want to do/pursue Tom?

Cheers,
Ben.

(Thanks for sending out the Siringit team out so quickly, brilliant models!)

PS. I have a team of converted Eureka frogs, but although as cool as they are, against the other stuff - Siringit, Pharohs etc... they are too cartoony)

aerofool

Norse

Impact! will not be making any frogman like minis in the foreseeable future.

We do, however, have a caster working on some amphibious conversion sprues (heads, hands etc) for people to use..

GalakStarscraper

Dark Lord

Tom,

I'm not one to encourage a man to break his word but wasn't your promise to JJ based upon some sort of action to be taken by Grandma Wendy in the foreseeable future?

Maybe I am mistaken but I was under the impression that you weren't going to do it because they were...or because they were back to the fish hook line about a new box set...or some such thing.

I understand where you're coming from on this one and I respect it.

but at the same time, how long are you going to let Grandma Wendy dictate Impact's strategy?

I don't mean that to sound harsh, and I know there is reason to fear Grandma Wendy's wrath, but at the same time, they aren't exactly the 800 lb gorilla they once were...they are barely a mad monkey. With the year they have had, and with all of their upper management rearrangement, they are hardly in the position to sue somebody over a game they don't even support. This is a product that you know would be a seller, and last I heard you guys could use some cash.

All I'm saying is maybe you should check your memory and see if JJ and Grandma Wendy are holding up their end of the bargain?

If they are not, they you could make this product without breaking your word.

Just my 2 cents.

GalakStarscraper

I understand your points DL ... but since you don't do tournaments ... you might not be aware of new happenings.

I've personally campaigned with Jervis for 5 years to have the Slann added to B.lood B.owl.

And now they are official in every aspect except miniatures and being in the LRB.

Now while that sounds like a big deal I admit. But to me in the end ... Jervis upheld his end of the bargin.

When the NAF called him and asked if he considered the Slann official ... he said yes.

As a result of that in September the NAF started to allow tournaments to have the Slann compete in them. And in just 7 weeks ... its spreading like wildfire.

Already 3 of the official G-W majors are going to allow Slann to compete in them in 2009 ... (Chaos Cup, Dungeonbowl, and the Spike!). The 5th NAF Major (CanCon) is allowing them next year as well. The only NAF Major that has not yet agreed to allow them in is the B.lood B.owl in the UK and Darkson was going to make a pitch to them that the other 4 NAF Majors were allowing the team in.

So while I fully agree with you that the miniatures from them are not forth coming. Jervis in my mind upheld his end of the bargin as with one phone call to the NAF ... he has pretty much guaranteed that the vast majority of tournament (and as a result that will spread the word back to most leagues in the world) will have the Slann in them.

So in my mind ... I would be a lesser man if I made a full frog team after Jervis made my dream of 5 years a reality. As you have frequently said ... B-B is a game owned by the players now ... so what JJ's bosses do about the Slann was never really part of the deal. But with that call JJ assured that the players had a ball they could run with and make the team as official as anything that JJ's bosses allowed to be "official". And since the G-W tournament organizers are not really worrying about what JJ's bosses are saying either ... to my mind ... I don't feel like the bargin was not upheld on JJ's end.

Galak

Dark Lord

That's cool, and I respect that. I really do.

brownrob

Yeah, If i ever win the lottery (I need to start entering!) then one of the first things Ill do, besides look after the family and essentials, is commission my own frog team, then spares could be sold off cheaply to anyone who would have been interested!

aerofool

OK, let me get this straight, Slann are official to use in 4 of the 5 (will prolly soon be all 5) major NAF tourneys. Unless I go with the really cartoonish frogs, I'm expected to convert Kroot sprues?

I think brownrob may be onto something here. Maybe a group of interested people need to get together and commission a frog team. Just 6 people, each with enough cash to get one model sculpted and cast should be enough to put together a team. It can be done independently of Tom, impact!, JJ and Grandma Wendy.

I don't want to force anyone, especially Tom, to go against his word no matter how jipped I feel on the whole "endorsed but not supported" issue.

Dark Lord

It amazes me how many times Grandma Wendy passes up the chance to make money from Bl00d B0wl.

It probably will need to be a grass roots sort of thing. Even if Grandma Wendy did it you'd only end up with a $50 box set of 12 minis for an incomplete team and need to buy 4 other $15 blister packs to round it out.

GalakStarscraper

Dark Lord

GalakStarscraper

Norse

perhaps this kind of chat would be better in PM...

lahatiel

Better? Perhaps... but far less entertaining!

Dark Lord

Darkson

Mad Jackal

Rabid_Bogscum

can I ask all you guys for your take on what Goblin Forge has come up with.. does that put them in danger of not being 'official'?

Norse

I expect Goblin Forge to get in very hot water over this...

http://www.talkbloodbowl.com/phpBB2/viewtopic.php?t=26105

Dark Lord

The Goblin Forge frogs don't look up to their usual quality IMO. They sort of lack any details and the anatomy is strange.

What does the TBB link say?

Norse

it's just GF's link to the "new stuff" - no real feedback other than that as yet..

I agree the sculpts are not up to much - still too comical for my liking, but I cannot say that on TBB without having hundreds of irate Frenchmen accusing Impact! of sour grapes or world domination..

I guess they are similar to Shadowforges "simplistic" look.. maybe painted up they would look much better..

lahatiel

It's just the Goblin Forge announcement of the figures, and then a discussion started on whether this cause any problems with Grandma Wendy over their past proclamation that they'd refuse to officially recognize the Slann roster if some other company sold a frog team.

And while granted, I've never had much interest in a Slann team to begin with, add me to the list of those unimpressed by these sculpts.

Dark Lord

I'll be curious to see if they do the one pose I have in my head. If I were ever asked to sketch them the first one I would draw would be a catcher type leaping up to catch the ball with a big webbed hand. From the looks of their gloved hands I'd say they didn't do that.

But I'm not a big fan on the Kroot either...they look like turtles and not frogs.

I'm more interested in something like this

SillySod

They look funny enough for them to be fun to use but they dont look like much fun to paint... ideally they should have all the realistic details but the overall effect should be comical (a bit like looking at a platapus). Dont think these will be replacing my kroot anytime soon

sebco

GalakStarscraper

Norse

Mephisto

Don't like them either, but perhaps, I'm going to order at least one or two models if that is possible. Perhaps with a bit of greensculpt they look more fierce.

But, on the other side, I think it's great that they do such a team. Let's wait how much they'll cost.

GalakStarscraper

GalakStarscraper

sebco

Yes it's a matter of taste. Furthermore, Impact! now has a big big range of minis and some are amateur ones. It would be incredible if everybody would like your whole range of minis. I just wrote that to not seem to be a crawler.

Ted Striker

I have bred a few different frog species so I felt compelled to chime in.

The GF frogs are really far off my tastes as well. They look way to silly. Just not a fan of the one DL posted either. For my money, the Limited Impact Frogman is just spot on. I wish Tom De Wolf could make a team in that "realistic" style. It just seems that none of the frog mini's I have seen, the sculptor spent any time looking at real amphibian physiology. And that may not have been their vision. But I think it looks much better. Just MHO.

Any chance for a preview of the Kroot sprues since they are fairly central to the thread. I would love to see how they look as I'm not familiar with the Grandma Wendy base for the conversion.

I hope Galak's vision of the harm done by GF is correct. That other FF game has stagnant support now. I'd hate to see it actually move backwards.

Dark Lord

As far as the pic I posted I didn't mean something exactly like that. I would definitely want webbed hands and feet, and sleeker bodies. That one would make an okay defender or something but I don't think, he's perfect either. He just illustrated a more serious take on the model.

The Impact frog is awesome, and I would love see more in that style.

I don't really get the Kroot as substitutes tho. I mean what is so "frog" about them?

Darkson

Not that keen on the GF ones either, but then I've not liked the other "funny" models posted on various FF forums either.

Mephisto

sebco

I agree with Mephisto concerning the Reptiliads. If I would see them painted I would maybe change my opinion about them. Recently, some Phigs' minis have been shown well painted on Impact! website and it really changed my opinion about them.

Moreover, they have, by me, some minor flaws which can put some potential customers (for example : me

) out of buying them :
-their metal sticked base
-their eccentric poses : some of these poses are well done according to me but there's IMHO a lack of more classical poses for these minis so it's difficult to have a complete team of reptiliads easy to use for FF.

That said, Reptiliads are in the Side Impact Minis section. So this is only a bonus. I don't mind about some Side Impact Minis not suiting to me, that doesn't change my great opinion about Impact! minis.

Norse

my bad.. I told Tom I would paint the team and after doing the coach, apo and cheerleaders, I gave up...

nothing to do with the minis themselves (I think they are great scuplts although I agree some of the poses are not ideal for the kind of games we play) just that like many painters, I lose interest in a project quite quickly.. I have probably started dozens of teams and only ever finished a handful..

so if anyone wants to volunteer to paint up the team (keep the fuscia and blue colour scheme though) I don't think Tom would object in the slightest...

R

GalakStarscraper

brownrob

Norse

Dark Lord

I'll have the multi-part humans done soon. And I really believe they have more potential than Tom estimates.

They were a lot of fun to assemble, and they are SOOOOOOO conversion friendly!

It would make my year to see Impact release more mutant parts for them.
Animal heads (including frogs) could be part of the sprue(s).

Mephisto

Thom

brownrob

lahatiel

Boromir_and_kermit

I have 8 pet frogs and have had frogs around all my life.

The Goblin forge ones are laughable.

Yes I know that I have converted Eureka frogs that are comical. But at least those are consistent in their style. The Goblin forge ones are all over the place. They are atrocious.

I have no idea how you would do frogs from Kroot, but would love to see what people have done/intend to do (photos help)

To be honest, the limited edition Frogman that you guys have already done is outstanding, both in proportions/appearance. A whole team of them would have been bloody brilliant and would have sold through the roof no doubt.

I respect the decision not to make a whole team, but am bitterly, bitterly disappointed that you won't.

I know you are releasing sprues to help do Kroot ones, but really... as good as I'm sure they will be, they will pale in comparision to what a whole team would have looked like.

Oh well.

Ben.

PS. I agree that the Reptiliads should be moved to the Impact team area and the painted team that you just got done Tom will surely boost sales! Good luck!

SillySod

Boromir_and_kermit

Does anyone have any photos of a Kroot-frog conversion?
Cheers,
Ben.

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