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| MidniteXpress |
Oceanic elfball team ideasjust to put the ideas in it's own thread.so we have hammerhead blitzer. blue wale defender/monster. all ideas welcome |
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| Cephalopod |
Large Whale (Blue, Right, what have you) Monster
Orca Defender Octopus Thrower Hammerhead hunter Porpoise Striker Cuttlefish Safety |
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| Dark Lord |
The shark doesn't really fit IMO. Otherwise it would be sort of cool.
If I can get a scanner that works soon, or maybe I'll use my camera, I have a TMNT RPG book that has mutant octopi and dolphins and such in it. |
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| Darkson |
Any oceanic team needs to have a shark imo, and a hammerhead one is instandly recognisable.
I'd also like to see a sawfish or swordfish. Bagsy a dinosaur team first though. ;) |
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| MidniteXpress |
if the oceanic team has hunters, then sharks are the obvious choice. likewise having a whale as the big guy.
as for striker i think a dolphin or a seal (both good ball handlers lol), the seal would make a nice change from the fish..and yes i know dolphins and wales are mammals, but they look fishy. also the seal could be the little guy of the team. |
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| Cephalopod |
The Cuttlefish could also be a little guy... Hey, there we go. A Seal Cheater and Cuttlefish Little Guy |
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| Dark Lord |
Well I guess the reason it stood out for me was because I didn't notice the cuttlefish. It seemed like all mammals, but I guess it does fit. | ||||||
| MidniteXpress |
would a little guy make a realistic safety? to be honest the only thing i know about cuttlefish is that caged birds really like them lol |
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| MidniteXpress |
swordfish would be interesting, maybe as an alternative hunter? and how about a giant crab as a defender? personally i'd want a team balanced between mammal and non mammal just for asthetics. |
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| Cephalopod |
As long as there is at least one Octopus or Cuttlefish. 
A crab defender would rock. |
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| MidniteXpress |
i'm sold on the octopus, though i'm thinking more of a safety than thrower. just think of a man sized octopus getting in the way of the opponents striker. actually the more i think about it, would an oceanic team have a thrower? |
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| Norse |
hey, if you guys can come up with about $8,000, Impact! will happily fulfil all your fishy fetishes..
Darkson.. Sarcos are about as close to Dinosaurs as we are likely to go.. |
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| MidniteXpress |
you never know Norse, a couple of years down the line Impact! might be looking for a new team idea. |
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| Norse |
true, and I never close my mind to anything (well, except.. you know.. ) but my own personal thinking (which I would have to discuss at length with Tom) is that at some point we will probably have fulfilled the needs of the fantasy pigskin market and need to move onto other games and other minis..
I would rather diversify than get deeper into a niche.. I'm only 1/3 of the decision making process though..
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| MidniteXpress |
Actually I agree with that, diversify or die as they say. But at the same time to stop all developement in favour of a new direction isn't good. Granny Wendy suffered when FF was moved to specialist game status. By all means reduce ff developement to work on new things, but don't kill it till there is a die-hard player uprising lol And speaking of "other directions", when are we getting some hints about them? I for one can barely wait |
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| Norse |
use your imagination (and please exercise some patience..) first, Impact! needs to get into the black.. then I get my dreams realised..
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| MidniteXpress |
lol you big tease 
we all need companies like Impact!, so I for one am more than happy to wait and keep buying stuff. p.s. when you guys send my Siringit and Deadling teams, please don't address it to Rose again....I'm a dude lol |
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| Norse |
a Scottish dude no less..  
PS not taking the piss, me too! |
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| MidniteXpress |
while I have your attention Norse, what would be two symbols used on coins from the elfball world? | ||||||
| GalakStarscraper |
If i had to pick I'd put the 2 different Elfball logos on each side. Galak |
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| mattwakeman |
Grandma Wendy symbol and cash perhaps? Oh wait... |
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| Darkson |
Damn, I need to win the lottery. 
I am NOT buying any game that you've dreamed of - I'm a family man!
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| Mad Jackal |
There is probably a good point being made here. :) |
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| Cephalopod |
You know, I just saw the Pirate's of the Caribbean movie. I think the creatures from the Flying Dutchman, somewhat less mutated, would make a good concept for the Oceanic team.
Granted, the mammalian models wouldn't fit, but the Ichthyoforms would do quite well. |
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| MidniteXpress |
The Siringit team has a mix of predator and prey, and that works really well. So hopefully adding some mammals to the Oceanic team will work just as well. As for concepts, I was thinking of the Dutchman crew too. Also there was a kids cartoon a few years ago about a guy given the power of Atlantis. Whenever he touched water he turned into a sharkman. |
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| Cephalopod |
Huh. That beats the Hell out of Aquaman, which is what I was subjected to back in the day. I'm tempted to try my hand at sculpting up one of the Oceanic players, for all that I'm really no artist... |
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| MidniteXpress |
go for it, i've got a few things on so haven't had the time to do anything with the idea yet |
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| Cephalopod |
With encouragement like that how can I help but give it a go?  Well, we'll see how it goes. If my wife feels it is worthy I'll post pics of it once it is done. I think a "pacific islander" theme for the clothing and jewelry would work.
Hopefully a tutorial PDF document will help. Any other resources I should look at? I think I found a pretty good [url]piece of concept art[/url] for one model. Not a hammerhead, but I can adapt.
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| Cephalopod |
Is $8,000 what it costs to create the line? Or is that what you pay for a sculptor in addition to getting everything cast up? |
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| GalakStarscraper |
That's the basic cost to have 12 figures sculpted, moulded, and cast. Galak |
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| MidniteXpress |
so if the oceanic team is a player project, i.e. we do the sculpts, then we're saving impact money
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| GalakStarscraper |
We don't enjoy telling folks that there stuff is not good enough for us to cast ... be we do have to do so fairly often. Just a word of warning ... we love the figures we put into our Targeted program ... but they have to pass an acceptance hurdle to get there. Galak |
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| Cephalopod |
Well, of course. Impact is a business and I don't expect any business goes out of its way to lose money.
That being said, I doubt I'll be able to make anything good enough. I'm just tempted to give it a shot. 
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| MidniteXpress |
actually having Norses imput would be great. we want it to be of Impact's high standard, if the sculpt isn't good enough then we try again till it is.
which reminds me, Ceph what player are you going to sculpt? i was thinking of trying one and don't want to end up doing the same as you lol |
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| Cephalopod |
I was thinking about an octopus thrower. Seemed like a good place to start.
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| Dark Lord |
Wouldn't an Octopus make a better catcher? I would make the Dolphin or the seal the thrower, with ball balanced on his nose. Just my 2 cents.
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| MidniteXpress |
actually i was thinking, since it's so hard to throw underwater, they wouldn't have a thrower at all. then again the difficulty might make the thrower even better on land. i agree that the octopus would make a better catcher. how about the following line-up? monster/big guy- whale catcher/striker- dolphin, seal and octopus as a maybe thrower- octopus as a maybe or the whale as a thrower (shoots the ball out of blowhole) defenders- walrus? or orca hunter- hammerhead, swordfish safety- cuttlefish (just for Ceph) and again octopus would make a good safety midfielders- i recently saw an old poster of the aquaman monster and thought midfielder. we need to make decisions, so how about everyone interested in the team pm's me their choice and i'll collate it and post it here. make one choice per position. |
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| bouncergriim |
kracken for the big guy
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| Cephalopod |
Kraken I could go for, definitely. Perhaps an Orca defender to get a whale in there? Or just skip the whale and go for a dolphin somewhere?
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| Dark Lord |
I think the orca is a must! | ||||||
| brownrob |
Can these be coded into the flop client too, if we get icons made for them!v
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| GalakStarscraper |
I think before any putting into Flop or Targeted sculpting begins ... you guys really need to come up with a team you all agree on (and then that I agree on).
Keep in mind ... the team should offer up something different from the other teams already in the game. Part of why I stopped with the teams in the rulebook is because I felt like they covered a good range of team types. If you come up with a roster that I like ... I'm not opposed to adding this in ... if I do that ... I'll probably move the map to the back page of the rulebook and then move the Oceanic, Orc, and Ratmen teams into the core listing (so there would be no optional teams). But ... I need a team that offers something different other than models. Galak |
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| bouncergriim |
I am picturing the team as slow but skilled and good with tackling, but maybe not overly strong. Not sure on stat lines/uniqueness of this team yet... | ||||||
| Cephalopod |
I think I can agree with that, with the exception of the Monster and defenders. Standard defender statline 0-2 selection. Well, when I get a break at work I'll put together a team. |
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| MidniteXpress |
I've been mulling over the stats etc. i think what we can take from real ocean creatures is big and strong (orca etc) and fast hunters (sharks). so on that basis i was thinking of a team with a good defence line and strong hunters, but weak or at the most average in other areas. again having a thrower is an issue. while an octopus thrower would look good, IMo it wouldn't really fit the theme.
here is what i have so far, but this is only my opinion. 0-1 kraken (monster) 0-4 defenders 0-4 hunters 0-3 midfielders kraken: J=4 M=5 T=4 D=2 S=1 G=5 defender: J=5 M=4 T=4 D=2 S=2 G=4 hunter: J=6 M=3 T=4 D=3 S=2 G=3 midfielder: J=6 M=3 T=3 D=3 S=3 G=3 essencially i see this as a very strong team, but are not good at catching the ball. afterall they are literally fish out of water. they are good tacklers but their low skill forces them to run the ball. i realise that this setup is similar to the sarcos team, but i was concentrating on the defense and hunter aspects. hopefully when i get around to testing this setup it will feel and play differently to the sarcos team, and open up some different tactics. anyway that's my take on it, and don't worry Galak, i think we are months and months away from being ready to officially suggest the oceanic team. as i said, this is still a work in progress so any and all opinions are welcome |
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| bouncergriim |
Octopus (striker??) J=5 M=3 T=4 D=3 S=4 G=3 | ||||||
| GalakStarscraper |
If you add a Striker to the mix that was previous suggested ... you need up with basically the Divine Wind team (ie not different) Galak |
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| MidniteXpress |
i had noticed that, but had already passed on having a striker. then again a dolphin with modified stats would make a good striker. maybe something like.. J=7 M=2 T=2 D=4 S=4 G=2 this would represent a fast runner with good skill, but isn't a tackler and is slightly more delicate than most. personally i don't think the team needs a striker, though the sculpt would look great. i just don't think, common sense wise, an oceanic team would have such high jog or skill on dry land. i was thinking more of a cross between black rock and razorbacks with a little gnome thrown in. a big lumbering defensive line, hunters to take out the ball carrier (but can barely catch a cold let alone the ball), kraken to put an end to opponent's big guy (or just cause havok) and leaving the midfielders to be the skill guys with their average stats. to put forward my case your honour lol the other teams mentioned all have an edge to counter their weakness and compliment their strength (i.e. fast striker for devine wind, lots of S=3 gnomes and razorbacks). what i suggested, and the stats need tweaking, was a team that doesn't have lots of 3+ skill players, the hunters are fast and pack a punch but still low skill. this requires the coach to think about the most valuable player, the lowly midfielder. and i think that is different. finaly, to sum this essay up, i would like to say: 1) my leg has gone to sleep 2) my cat just farted and the wall melted 3) woot it's saturday |
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| Dark Lord |
I think if you want to differentiate from the Sarcos team you should up the number of Hunters, lower the number of Defenders, get rid of the Midfielders altogether and add a couple Strikers. 0-2 Kraken 0-2 Defenders 0-2 Strikers 0-6 Hunters Now you could have a team that had Orca Defenders, Shark Hunters and Swordfish, Eel or Piranha Strikers. Those would make the coolest minis because let's face the popular minis on this team are not likely to be the dolphins...also putting a dolphin in football gear is gonna attract NFL attention. Also it's possible you could ditch the Strikers for a unique position based off of Strikers. Something with lots of speed, maybe? |
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| Cephalopod |
That is a pretty good mix and I think there aren't enough teams with more than one monster players currently. I take it that the top speed on this team is a 6 while the Kraken would probably have a jog of 4? | ||||||
| MidniteXpress |
i'm still not sold on having strikers. maybe we should put the positions to a vote. the top 4 positions voted for are in the team, unless a team already exists with that combo. sound fair? | ||||||
| Dark Lord |
Better idea...playtest both teams and see which plays better.
Popular opinion isn't always a good thing. Read my sig.
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| MidniteXpress |
very very true. so who is up for some playtesting? |
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| Miyuso |
Something I've not seen on any other team is Midfielders, Hunters, Safeties and KRAKEN!
0-2 kraken (monster) 0-3 safeties 0-3 hunters 0-4 midfielders kraken: J=4 M=6 T=4 D=1 S=1 G=5 safeties: J=7 M=3 T=3 D=3 S=2 G=3 hunter: J=6 M=3 T=4 D=3 S=2 G=3 midfielder: J=6 M=3 T=3 D=3 S=3 G=3 Give the team a very Gimme back the ball aspect/tackle the opponent, but struggle slightly to move it given thier underwater nature And if i had someone to game against, I'd playtest. |
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| redfin |
The whole Oceanic team is a really cool concept that has fired up my imagination. I've sculpted a couple of guys but they are still works in progress.. I had a beach bum theme going on in my mind at the time with vivid bermuda shorts and bikini's.
The next player I was thinking of sculpting was a sawfish guy and a crabman. I look forward to hearing your opinions & any advice for other players. [img]http://www.flickr.com/photos/darachstone/3823911319/in/set-72157621924213963/[/img] [img]http://www.flickr.com/photos/darachstone/3824709580/in/set-72157621924213963/[/img] [img]http://www.flickr.com/photos/darachstone/3823910715/in/set-72157621924213963/[/img] |
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| redfin |
Try this again. If this doean't work then a bit of advice is needed.
http://www.flickr.com/photos/dara...3910715/in/set-72157621924213963/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dara...3911319/in/set-72157621924213963/ http://www.flickr.com/photos/dara...4709580/in/set-72157621924213963/ |
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| bouncergriim |
nice work, i would love to see more shots/angle of those. 
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| Boromir_and_kermit |
Cool sculpts! | ||||||
| duttydave |
 damn fine work Redfin, well done
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| Thom |
Very nice! Perhaps we need a Bloody version of Beach Volleyball for these guys! To me they look more suited to that than Elfball. Nice work! | ||||||
| redfin |
Thanks for all your comments, I'll post more photos as soon as possible with hopefully some progress on the sawfish guy.
Cheers |
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| duttydave |
Redfin, any update on these sculpts? | ||||||
| redfin |
I started an iguana guy and sword fish dude and I'll post some pics soon, there a bit rough at present and still need some work as soon as I get a moment I'll post some pics. | ||||||