IMPACT! MINIATURES

MidniteXpress · Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 128 Location: Scotland

Just to give this it's own thread and recap, here is what we have so far.

bouncergriim · Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS

I was trying to make some rules for a game called tavern crawl, based on the elfball stat lines and similar things. I will pull it up this week and see what I have. I like the armor vs weapon type thing for simplicity and other modifiers like assists in EB.

MidniteXpress · Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 128 Location: Scotland

i've been thinking about the elfball stats and how to use them for rpg. this is roughly what i have but i think we could use them better.

Jog: movement obviously
Might: strength (if might is higher than enemy grit then armour has no effect?)
Tackle: weapon skill
Dodge: agility
Skill: special skills such as steal etc
Grit: toughness

added stats
Intelligence: mainly for magic use in combat
Charisma: rpg mainstay but i had a thought. when a player kills an an enemy, roll charisma (enemy intelligence -2 for number of success) to cause fear. if successfull, enemy moves d6 directly away from player.

and last but not least.
big guys as pc's?
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Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2682

IMO I would make it more akin to Warhammer Quest or Descent and forget about Charisma. And for Spell casting I would just use Skill.

Otherwise, it looks good.
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MidniteXpress · Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 128 Location: Scotland

bouncergriim · Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS

I like keeping the stats the same (no extras). this way you could have your team Role play between matches for more XPs or other useful items.

I like using Elfball dice too. Keeps the feel the same. you can use a system similar to White wolf stuff that way. Conditionals and flops and number of successes needed to achieve things.

I think skill could be easily used for a players speciallization and then general tasks. For a thrower it could be ballistic skill, for a spell caster it could be spell skills, for a fighter it could be weapon skill and tackle could be unarmed combat situations.

MidniteXpress · Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 128 Location: Scotland

ok so who wants to take the "game designer" roll? or more simply, who has the most rpg handbooks and too much spare time? lol
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Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2682

I have a ton of RPGs and I have even made a couple of my own, but I have absolutely zero free time.
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skatingtortoise · Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 140

Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2682

I have yet to play the Cortex system but I love Eden Studio's Unisystem (All Flesh Must Be Eaten) and it looks similar...or at least like cousins or 2nd cousins.

What do you think of it? (You can PM if you don't want to derail the thread.)
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MidniteXpress · Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 128 Location: Scotland

skatingtortoise · Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 140

unisystem? i have all flesh must be eaten :P if i were to adapt that id need to take another look but it shouldnt be too hard.

cortex boils down to attribute dice (strength, dexterity, intelligence etc) + skill dice (passing, blocking, dodging in this case). the better your stat, the better your dice size, from d2 to d12. it lacks grittiness, but very simple to work with.

in terms of keeping the flop dice, id need to look at making a new system - but its doable, and could be a lot of fun :D

as for keeping stats, it would be a case of adapting them to ingame things.

the big question is what the aim is - to have an rpg where you can 'walk off the field', or just a system for playing an elfball game, but with more grit and detail.

bouncergriim · Joined: 29 Sep 2007 Posts: 298 Location: Fort Worth, TEXAS

I still would like to see a system adapted from EB rules, rather than one based on some other generic system. I like the you could see them on the field, but then go to the tavern and have the same stat line and do similar things.

I think most equipment could be the equivalent of skills or dice modifiers. Make it a very balanced RPG, with advancement that opens up skills, but doesn't change original stat line.

The closer the rules between the real EB and the EBRPG, the cooler the transition and stuff.

I started writing this about 7months ago and never got back to it. Here is my unedited thoughts on Tavern Crawl: EBRPG

Elf Ball Bar Brawl
Objectives:
1. Defeat/incapacitate all of your opponents
2. Successfully remove all of your players from the bar getting to the relative safety of the street
3. Have most players standing /already out of the bar when the bar keep tosses you out on your bums
Stats same as elf ball
Jog = number of actions per turn
Might= ability to push player/needed to throw heavy objects
Tackle/fighting=ablity to attack opponent with fists, or heavy objects
Dodge= ability to evade both thrown and melee attacks
Skill=ability to throw objects
Grit=Ability to withstand punishment, every ones health is grit + 2.

Attacks=
Needed successes = both down
1 extra opponent down only
2 extra opponent dazed
Each extra after that remove one grit from opponent for duration of this crawl
If opponent gets to -1 grit then they are unconscious and must be dragged or thrown out of the bar to be successfully remove. Also the body acts as an obstacle or weapon taking up one hex.

To throw an object check: make impact challenge with successes equaling the “weight” of an object or weapon. If flopped your player is down, if failed it cost one extra jog to do anything.

To use an object in a melee attack, first make impact challenge versus the weight of the object. If flopped your player is down, if failed it cost one extra jog to do anything
Weight increases damage but also must make it easier to evade.
Actions done on unconscious players:
Carrying friend impact challenge to pick up and moves cost double jog.
Throwing cost double jog if weigh is greater than half your might: impact to pick up, might or throwing player determines max distance they can be thrown, this distance may be double if you choose do nothing other than throw this turn. Skill determines the number of dice to throw. If weight is less than or equal to half your might then normal throwing rules apply.
Evade check: dodge + ½ weight rounded down vs both thrown attacks and melee. Successes needed = opponents skill or tackle or more than opponents successes.
Catch check: Impact challenge versus the weight if the object is heavier than half your might. Skill check 2 successes needed. If flopped add one to damage taken, if unsuccessful take hit as usual.
Carrying objects of weight = to greater than ½ of your might cost double jog for movement

Weight
Players = might of player
Dart = 1
Mug = 2
Broom/big stick/club, broken table/chair bits = 3
Chair / bar stool= 4 –may only be used once then becomes a big stick
Table = 6 – may only be used once then becomes a big stick.

Every player starts with a mug in hand a chair/barstool under them. There are strategically placed darts around the room, usually embedded in walls.
Kick- may kick an opponent while they are down using standard melee rules. This puts evade at a 1 extra success if down, 3 if dazed.
Jump, may jump over obstacles such as tables or down/prone/unconscious players cost 1 extra jog to get to spot. You may only jump over one obstacle at a time so to jump from a starting spot over an obstacle two hexes/squares away takes 3 jog.

MidniteXpress · Joined: 14 Feb 2009 Posts: 128 Location: Scotland

with almost no adaption, bouncer's tavern crawl could be used as general combat rules. all we would have to factor in is armour and weapons, but as mentioned before these could modify successes needed rather than stats.

situational use:
your team wins on the pitch, then go to a tavern to celebrate. some kind of test to see if the fans of the other team (or the other team themselves) start a brawl with you. if your team lost you can choose to start the brawl.

travelling between matches again some kind of test to see if you are attacked by bandits or whatever, using the brawl rules with weapons and armour factored in.

i don't know about the rest of you, but i'm starting to get quite excited about this lol
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skatingtortoise · Joined: 13 Aug 2006 Posts: 140

so what would you use for things like negotiation, seduction, climbing, swimming etc etc...

the elfball statlines are focused on doing one thing (playing elfball) and youd need to do *some* adaptation to get a full character

the easiest way to keep it would be to add a few more stats (intelligence, charisma etc) and put together an 'all-purpose' task resolution table.