IMPACT! MINIATURES

mattwakeman · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 231

I always thought that this extra action at the end was to avoid the situation of a player getting to the ball with their last jog but then not being able to pick it up because they had ran out and then the ball, well, who knows, presumably scattering. I am actually kind of against the one free action at the end of movement mainly because of what DL has just said, just give everybody one extra bit of jog. Or if not then when you run out of jog then you have run out, why allow a throw or indeed any type of challenge when you couldn't really afford it in the first place.

Evilmop44 · Joined: 15 Mar 2009 Posts: 22

Awesome guys.

This really helps 2 more scenarios I wanted to clear up where, If you get shoved into your own goal while holding the ball does the ball scatter, or do they get the own goal.

And the second, would be getting shoved into a hex with white line from the half way line in it, would the ball scatter on this occasion aswell as long as you were holding the ball of course?

Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2682

Evilmop44 · Joined: 15 Mar 2009 Posts: 22

Sweet, Well i just played a turn against myself and I did fairly well lol.

No rules needed any further clarification.

Thanks a lot guys really helped me out.

GalakStarscraper · The Big Man Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 6176

Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2682

Well perhaps it's the way it's written then. I don't see how you can say it isn't confusing when we all ignored it because it was confusing, and somebody here is confused on it...and I don't think he's the first.
And even you seem confused.

MrC · Joined: 17 Jan 2009 Posts: 7 Location: So Cal

You can use the dash to perform an additional challenge or move one more hex AND make a free challenge. The rule seems clear to me. Though I do understand that some of the rules needed to be explained to me at first before they sunk in.

mattwakeman · Joined: 20 May 2006 Posts: 231

It is the whole concept of being able to spend all of your jog and then being able to do something extra regardless that I found always kind of odd. Why should there be a free action at all? Maybe moving all of the free action only into the dash challenge but making the dash challenge so that you could always perform it but having extra momentum would make it easier to achieve.

I have to say that this is the one rule that make me stumble over it when I was reading the rules for the first time as well maybe because you have a free action which allows you to do something which you can already do with another challenge as long as you have some momentum available. But if you have some momentum then you can do both. Perhaps I am deliberately trying to make the rule sound confusing but for such a simple and elegant game this rule is just very sticky.

GalakStarscraper · The Big Man Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 6176

Evilmop44 · Joined: 15 Mar 2009 Posts: 22

Dark Lord · Joined: 23 May 2006 Posts: 2682

You do. The free challenge comes at the end of your normal action. Which once it's done, you can then do a Dash Challenge. A Dash Challenge lets you move, or move and do 1 challenge. (I wrote the bit above on my way to the hospital so I wasn't thinking clearly.

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I guess it does work...that doesn't really change my opinion tho. It's been something I have found hard to teach to people and the game IMO has not suffered from ignoring it. It was something my original group an I stumbled over, and when the question arose as to why it was there at all, we couldn't give a satisfactory reason so we ignored it.
I agree with Matt that for a game of simple ideas it's one that is sticky.

If you want a simple fix...

Only Tackles & Shoves require a jog point to perform. If the free action is intended to be used for picking up the ball and throwing it, why do players incur a cost for doing it at all? They can only do those challenges once per turn anyway (effectively), and it seems odd to charge a player Jog points to pick up and throw the ball and then use a free action to tackle somebody if that isn't the intention of the rule.

If the problem the rule is trying to fix is players ending movement in a hex with the ball but being unable to pick it up and throw it, then just make picking it up and throwing it free. IMO it's much easier to understand, and doesn't have the side effect of free action tackles.
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GalakStarscraper · The Big Man Joined: 24 Nov 2005 Posts: 6176

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