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Mad Jackal
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| Darkson wrote: | | aerofool wrote: | | Slann are official to use in 4 of the 5 (will prolly soon be all 5) major NAF tourneys. |
Don't hold your breath.
I was the official Chief Referee for the B.llod B.owl GT this year, Lycos had many phone call/email conversations with the guy running the Events at GWHQ.
Neither of us have heard a thing since the GT - Lycos has sent more than a few emails without reply.
I'll try, and I'd guess lycos will as well, but the UK Events team hasn't shown itself to be the "easiest" people to deal with. |
Hey mate. If a stand-up fellow like yourself says he's going to give something a go. That is good enough for me. If it doesn't happen I know it won't be because you sold it short. Give it your best and those guys will hang themselves if they feel they must.
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Rabid_Bogscum
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 2:54 pm Post subject: |
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| can I ask all you guys for your take on what Goblin Forge has come up with.. does that put them in danger of not being 'official'? |
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Norse
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Dark Lord
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 3:47 pm Post subject: |
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The Goblin Forge frogs don't look up to their usual quality IMO. They sort of lack any details and the anatomy is strange.
What does the TBB link say?
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Norse
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:12 pm Post subject: |
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it's just GF's link to the "new stuff" - no real feedback other than that as yet..
I agree the sculpts are not up to much - still too comical for my liking, but I cannot say that on TBB without having hundreds of irate Frenchmen accusing Impact! of sour grapes or world domination.. 
I guess they are similar to Shadowforges "simplistic" look.. maybe painted up they would look much better..
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lahatiel
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It's just the Goblin Forge announcement of the figures, and then a discussion started on whether this cause any problems with Grandma Wendy over their past proclamation that they'd refuse to officially recognize the Slann roster if some other company sold a frog team.
And while granted, I've never had much interest in a Slann team to begin with, add me to the list of those unimpressed by these sculpts.
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Dark Lord
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:15 pm Post subject: |
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I'll be curious to see if they do the one pose I have in my head. If I were ever asked to sketch them the first one I would draw would be a catcher type leaping up to catch the ball with a big webbed hand. From the looks of their gloved hands I'd say they didn't do that.
But I'm not a big fan on the Kroot either...they look like turtles and not frogs.
I'm more interested in something like this
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SillySod
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They look funny enough for them to be fun to use but they dont look like much fun to paint... ideally they should have all the realistic details but the overall effect should be comical (a bit like looking at a platapus). Dont think these will be replacing my kroot anytime soon 
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sebco
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:40 pm Post subject: |
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| Norse wrote: |
I agree the sculpts are not up to much - still too comical for my liking, but I cannot say that on TBB without having hundreds of irate Frenchmen accusing Impact! of sour grapes or world domination..
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I agree too.
(about these ones... some other of their frog minis I recently saw sound better to me, especially the blizers, but I think Goblin Forge will show the pictures soon)
Concerning the "hundreds of irate frenchmen" I think you didn't really understand our (mine) opinion when we (I) wrote about it on TBB but that's not really important... I only want to tell you again it was nothing against you or Impact! I personnaly much appreciate everything you do here (I do not like your whole range of minis but appreciate how you work, your forum, your prices, etc...)
That said, about GF frogs, if your opinion about these sculpts is a shared one, other guys will tell it on TBB forums and I personnaly think it's better. ;)
By me, the main problem of this frog team isn't the sculpts quality. Having read some topics here and on TBB months ago about Impact! not producing frog minis, I fear about the slann not being officialised because of these minis. I told it to Talkarde (the new GF owner) when he showed me the minis at a french FF tournament but it was too late : he did yet launch the production of these minis. I have to tell here that, as most of french bloodbowlers, he told me he didn't know about all that (Grandma Wendy not wanting any company to produce any frog mini or they won't accept slann in LRB 6). He only saw the new team list for LRB 6 and didn't know why the other companies didn't sell them yet... 
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GalakStarscraper
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 4:48 pm Post subject: |
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| Rabid_Bogscum wrote: | | can I ask all you guys for your take on what Goblin Forge has come up with.. does that put them in danger of not being 'official'? |
That time has past in many ways.
Once JJ told the NAF that they were official to him and then the NAF added them (today they official posted the NAF rules for tournament organizers to use the 3 new teams). So in terms of tournaments and leagues finding out about them that ball is rolling beyond anyone's ability to stop.
As for official-dom. JJ made it very clear at Chaos Cup that his bosses would not allow the 3 new teams into LRB 6.0. So I don't think there was any real chance that G-W would make the miniatures and allow the team in LRB 6.0.
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How I see this playing out.
GoblinForge will make their team which in my opinion is just way too comical for me to use. I'd rather convert Kroot or use Reptiliads to get a "real" look to them. BBFigs.com some time next year will sell Kroot sprues and conversion pieces to allow folks to have Frog teams that can be officially used at G-W events. I don't have a problem talking about the Frog sprues BBFigs.com is working on because those sprues are being made to HELP G-W sell more product (not remove sales from them).
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So at the end of the day ... I think they damage GF will do is minor.
I think if they had announced this team before the BBRC Review this year or the NAF's phone call to JJ ... this could have been nightmarishly bad and I would have emailed them to say so. But timing wise ... it should be okay.
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Norse
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| sebco wrote: | I personnaly much appreciate everything you do here (I do not like your whole range of minis but appreciate how you work, your forum, your prices, etc...)
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I do not like our whole range of products either.. Galak often points out that our best selling range of minis are the ones I rejected initially and he had to talk me around.. 
beauty is in the eye of the beholder I guess.. and I wish Talkarde success with this range and GF in general, I know him well from when he lived in Holland and I even let him beat me once  .. what I would say is that I rate Sylvain Quirion as one of the top 3 fantasy football sculptors out there - I doubt these sculpts are from him though, which is a shame..
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Mephisto
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Don't like them either, but perhaps, I'm going to order at least one or two models if that is possible. Perhaps with a bit of greensculpt they look more fierce.
But, on the other side, I think it's great that they do such a team. Let's wait how much they'll cost. |
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GalakStarscraper
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| sebco wrote: | | He only saw the new team list for LRB 6 and didn't know why the other companies didn't sell them yet... |
I suspected if any company decided to make the figures it was going to be be one of the 3 smaller companies (GoblinForge, GreenDog, or Orc from Billbao).
I figured it was a matter of time before one of them just decided to do it ... regardless of what might happen from doing so ... I am glad to find out that he had no idea that he might be doing a "very bad" thing before he did.
Like I said if this picture was put out before about 3 weeks ago ... it would have completely screwed over the entire process horribly and I would have been the first to be emailing him and telling him that if he wanted to guarantee that he'd never sell any of them to continue on.
However ... we got lucky. The NAF made the teams officially ranked and the organizers of the Majors announced they were including the teams before he showed this players. So he didn't destroy 5 years of my work.
So we see what happens ... like I said .. the timing should be okay and should not cause much damage compared to what it could have done.
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GalakStarscraper
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| Norse wrote: | | I do not like our whole range of products either. |
I have to confirm this.
When I show the partners the # of figures sold by model code ... Ramsay often comments .... "I cannot believe we've sold so many of XYZ model."
And there are some on our site that I think are great that sell very little. The Reptiliads being one example of this. And then others I'm amazed at how many we've sold.
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sebco
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| Posted: Wed Nov 05, 2008 8:45 pm Post subject: |
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Yes it's a matter of taste. Furthermore, Impact! now has a big big range of minis and some are amateur ones. It would be incredible if everybody would like your whole range of minis. I just wrote that to not seem to be a crawler.
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